
As promised, I now give you the full political/social debate between myself and Tennessee born, Harlem based artist Damien (Southern-man) Crisp. This is a rather daunting yet illuminating body of text that exposes the workings of a paranoid, delusional and deceitful mind. Damien Crisp is quite the megalomaniac and that makes this segment entertaining on one level but the darker side of Crisp's kind of thinking is quite unnerving. Crisp's pseudo political persona borders on the pathological and his anarchic views could actually be dangerous if he had the constitution of a Jim Jones or a David Koresh, but thankfully he does not. Crisp is more akin to a very watered down David Horowitz, (post-1985 of course). The truly tragic thing in all of this is the fact that there is a large segment of our population that operates under this particular brand of hate. It is not Crisp's construction, it is a garden variety form of self loathing disguised as social consciousness and it works on many levels within our society...especially in the arts.
In regards to Crisps fabricated accusations towards me of racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia and even worse Right Wing Conservatism ...these are of course completely unfounded. Crisp in his typical fashion resorted to outright slander after he took a beating during this debate. Below is the exchange in its entirety (of which he had conveniently deleted)
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[The Debate]
Justin Town: @DW, In those Nazi propaganda adds "You
see a mother and father and child, all white of course..." and you compare this to the “American dream”
of the 1950’s.
First, “ all white of course” is right! As if depicting
white German families was a cultural mishap during that specific place and
time? Germans were primarily white, were they supposed to include Asians or
Hispanics in their propaganda posters?! It seems like you have well embraced the American multicultural
ideal (which for better or worse comes to us by way of propaganda as well).
Besides, I'll take that 1950's picture of Home, family, car over the current
inner city "Bling", fast food disposable mega-violent culture any
day, be it black, white or even German!
Damien Crisp: Justin, the 1950s home doesnt exist.
Justin Town: Well Damien, that is because we are now in 2013. but quite frankly everything exists on some level...and besides, it seems that idealistically
you yourself are continually calling for this kind of 1950's domestic peace
& order model with all your "radical" musings that beg a
solution... "and only a cleansing of our whole society can remove this
sickness.." lol – Remember that Robert F. Kennedy quote you posted?
Justin Town: You know, ...equality, opportunity, the right to
happiness globally for ever and ever...
Damien Crisp: "To murder several runners using bombs at
a sporting event is terrorism. To murder 175 children using military drones is U.S. policy. We
should accept neither. We should fight against both." See list of children
murdered by US drone attacks!
Justin Town: Sure, and that list of "children"...or
teens rather, are the same youths who would in all probability kill and/or die to
rid the world of the Western devil, gays, feminists, artists
"enlightened" thinkers etc. etc.... Don't believe the cultural
relativism hype!
Justin Town: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/03/honor-killing-pakistani-parents-found-guilty-of-suffocating-teenage-daughter-who-refused-forced-marriage-to-her-1st-cousin/
Justin Town: just one example of MANY...that's how large segments
of that culture rolls as policy!
Justin Town: note the source: TheBlaze, lol!!!...that is my
little dig to you. Being a liberal myself I could have pulled articles of this
nature from a more reputable site but hey, I need to light a fire under your
radical ass …the facts remain nonetheless.
Damien Crisp: Do you have a point Justin?
Justin Town: oh Damien, I just made a few and I have many
more points...just like a porcupine. lol...as do you
Justin Town: ...mine are just more varied.
Damien Crisp: Your points are dumb. How many American
parents kill their kids? Plenty. Does this typify American christians?
Damien Crisp: The misinfo about Islam is ridiculous.
Justin Town: Who said Islam? We were talking honor killings
as policy in the arab countries and angry Arab youths in militant areas who are
brainwashed to harbor a desire to rid the world of the Western devil. i.e.,
gays, feminists, artists, jews, "enlightened" thinkers etc. etc? No
misinfo...well documented from all sides. More specific for you?
Justin Town: and you ask: “How many American parents kill their
kids?” in response to honor killings? I knew that was coming...the answer:
little by comparison. But the bigger question is how many of these Americans
kill their kids by way of religious/social/cultural policy like they do in Arab
countries?
Damien Crisp: It keeps hate mongers, small minded people,
preoccupied.
Justin Town: Not sure where you are going with that but ok?
Lol
Justin Town: American’s murdering their kids… boy do you
love to cherry pick data.
Justin Town: you might as well defriend cause you know I will pee-pee solid on
your politico sand castles!
Damien Crisp: American ideology is more invisible extremely
oppressive. It was largely created by social experiments by corporations and
the government. At its center is the idea of the individual and not society,
greed and not unity - so I would say the strange ways American parents kill
their kids is related to the principles of our society.
Justin Town: lol!!!! Oh right, invisible American ideology!
how easy that claim is... and extremely oppressive in comparison to the very
transparent Muslim ideologies! Very good Damien.
Damien Crisp: It is history justin.
Damien Crisp: You haven't said anything intelligent and u
posted a link from some extremely corrupted corporate media.
Justin Town: I already explained my choice of source...focus
Damien
Damien Crisp: Let's see.. i give historical examples, full
sentences - you - no argument? just attacks
Justin Town: I see where you are going now, attacks really?
you are starting to sound like Todd Levin. Lol
Damien Crisp: Again - what exactly is your point? A family
in Pakistan
killed their daughter and you think that excuses murdering 175 children with
drones? Is that your argument?
Justin Town: Back to honor killings again? Well, it’s more
than one family Damien, it is a cultural phenomena actually. And who said honor
killing excuses murdering 175 children with drones? Mr. Crisp you are becoming
desperate, don't put words in my mouth you snake you
Justin Town: and so now I ask you ...so what is your point?...innocents
killed in Boston
and that has something to do with drone strikes?
Justin Town: ...you do like to flip from micro to macro when
it suits your argument don't you
Damien Crisp: My point is America is a murderous empire and
our economy rests on bombing people everyday. Where is the empathy for people
who are not Americans?
Justin Town: "...If America is a murderous empire, leave
then you enabler.
Damien Crisp: You are obsessed with me and have no argument.
Justin Town: Obsessed with you? hahaha! So now this becomes
about you? Obsession indeed… just look at your whole shtick!
Damien Crisp: You've been around a while. You have a strange
obsession with me - and you have no argument other than your obsession with
me..? Again what is your point?
Justin Town: Oh boy! More of this obsession...what a narcissist!
What is my point? Well actually you were the one who got off point...focus
Damien!!!
Damien Crisp: Yes - here we go... the real reason you are
here: tell me - what is my "shtick"? I know you - whoever you are -
are such a hateful ignorant human you believe everyone has a
"schtick".
Damien Crisp: Tell me about your obsession with me... is it
sexual?
Justin Town: It’s obvious that you really want to turn this into something sexual but I'm afraid we shan't go there,
regressing much?...get back on point Damien. Lol
Damien Crisp: Come on now... I've watched you.. I saw what
you did at the gagosian page.. etc etc.. tell me..
Justin Town: Oh, so you've watched me have you? creepy. so this is still going to be about you? ...well,
it seems like you are the one obsessed with Gagosian and Bush. What’s with
that… Is it sexual?
Damien Crisp: No, its political.
Justin Town: Right, political. Really made a dent with that
one! And regards to my concern with you, that was one small article I wrote
(and Jerry Saltz was the main focus). Obsessed!? lol You ARE a typical arrogant
American.
Damien Crisp: So go on now... you have a theory I have a
whole schtick... please share... you've given it some thought?
Justin Town: ...I already have, it's your serve.
Damien Crisp: no you haven't -... your whole shtick - is not
descriptive. You are a typical asshole!
Justin Town: "typical asshole"? Ooooh! very witty Damien. And Very politically
relevant…I see you got a like on that one as well.
Justin Town: and "your whole shtick" - is not the
only thing I wrote Damien. Go reread
Damien Crisp: Yes Lori Ellison - it is the drivel of Justin
Town.
Justin Town: Damien try to stay in line with the thread...we
can all see you’ve tried real hard to derail. Give my regards to that hag
Ellison by the way. Lol
----- time lapse
Justin Town: ...and so (silence) ...I gotta git Southern
man. You took too long to respond. Think about it some more, exchange notes
with Lori and get back to me.
-----time lapse
Damien Crisp: So once more.. your point is? Some family
killed a child in pakistan
and that means killing 175 children with drones is ok? You're sticking with
that? Plus something about my "shole shtick' and being an arrogant
American?I give you an F for your effort. That means failing grade.
Damien Crisp: About as incompetent as the hateful, racist,
ignorant articles on your blog.
Justin Town: oh, so are we going around in circles some
more? Nope, "Some family killed a child in pakistan and that means killing 175
children with drones is ok?" These are your words and weird interpretation
of the thread. again, ...so what is your point...innocents killed in Boston and that has
something to do with drone strikes? You do love to pull things out of context.
but more importantly, if America
is "a murderous empire and our economy rests on bombing people
everyday."...why are you here enabling it?
...oh but wait, you are here to change the political climate
by creating a fake Gagosian page among other great accomplishments. Lol
Justin Town: and you write that my blogs are “Incompetent,
hateful, racist, ignorant statements”? How about these from you, right here and
now: "You are a typical asshole.", "Tell me about your obsession
with me... is it sexual?", "so I would say the strange ways American
parents kill their kids is related to the principles of our society.",
"Your points are dumb."...and so on. (sigh)
Justin Town: ...ok, I have really indulged long enough with
this nonsense. Ciao
-----short time lapse
Damien Crisp: In addition to my Gagosian page - I am an
organizer for a freedom school.. the history of which dates back to the civil
rights struggle during segregation - filling in where schools fail for the
marginalized. Also an organizer with a new group from occupy that will use its
resources to help other social justice projects... lets see.. what else have i
done to help change...
Trixie Rioux: Just in Town Jesus loves you too.
Justin Town: Oh, good for you Damien, really, Wow!!!...and
you are an "American" as well?! Who would have guessed?...wait, an
offshoot of OWS (for social justice)?! Funny, when I first heard of the
bombings I didn't think Muslim extremists, I thought some fringe group of the
ows movement! Very assuming of me I suppose. lol Hey Trix, I'm an
atheist...good try though.
Justin Town: ...so Damien, do you also organize this group
with ideals that are "related to the principles of our
society."?...like the “American parents who kill their children"? Remember
that quote? So you fancy yourself an educational organizer – “filling in where
schools fail for the marginalized.” How very empowering that must be for you. The
old saying "care is control" is definitely applicable here.
...you garden variety
sheltered American radical you! Crisp, with your black & white thinking I
feel you missed your calling...you really should have been a Baptist preacher.
Justin Town: Lastly, your generic views are boring and your
political approach is comparable to a kid who just found out there is no Santa
Claus and so refuses to put down any more cookies for his elves...but still
opens the presents.
Ah, analogies! gotta love em'
Damien Crisp: Justin Town - you an take your hateful
xenophobia disguised as pseudo rational thought and shove it up your ass. you
are an idiot. A horrible, hateful disgusting human being. You don't deserve
another sentence.
Justin Town: Well then,
you take this with you… America
has a wide range of cultural modes, views and lifestyles spread across a vast
playing field. The Middle east (barring
differences in religious dogma) has shown solidarity within an all encompassing
cultural view/tradition that involves but is not limited to homophobic,
misogynistic and elitist tendencies. It is an antagonistic culture that has
stubbornly remained unchanged for thousands of years. Between praying and
procreating there is war, war and more war. Honor killing for instance is a
cultural tradition in many of these countries. Hate is a sanctioned policy in
many of these countries. Women's rights, gay rights and individual rights are virtually
non-existent (by OUR standards) So to compare the mindset of say the civilians
in the Middle East that were killed by American military to that of the
children murdered in the Boston tragedy is ludicrous. (Innocence indeed) ...and
the devil is in the details whether we like it or not. Many of these
"innocent" civilians in all probability were reared to hate
Americans/Westerners (prior to even the first Gulf war) especially the ones in
the specific regions in which radical militants conjugate; the children in
Boston in all probability did not have this violent (anti-other) world view and
therein lies one major difference. Nonetheless, most Americans condemn the
death of civilians under any circumstance. Too bad many in the Middle East couldn't claim as much. The other difference
is that the US military does
not target children or "innocents" as policy...the Boston bomber(s) obviously did; as do most
Islamic militants. For you to try and parallel the US military with terrorists is a
gross distortion to say the least. Besides, I already suggested the Boston bombing might be
homegrown...and if this turns out to be the case then the act would have been an
exception to our social rule.
Damien Crisp: You are the one preaching and rationalizing
still that innocent children deserved to die becaus ethey are Muslim? YOu are a
piece of trash.
Justin Town: your words fact bender.
Damien Crisp: The US does kill innocents as a matter of
policy - and has for a long time
Justin Town: sure thing, especially if you say so…but show
me this “policy”, oh wait it’s invisible, as you already said.
-----time lapse
(Damien then relays his version of the exchange above to his
minions)…and they come out of the woodwork in full force!
[New Post]
"Justin Town is disgusting xenophobic, hateful, racist, spiteful, obsessed piece of shit and should be deleted if he is your friend. Anyone who thinks it is ok to kill innocent children because they are Muslim deserves no time in anyone's life." -Damien Crisp
John Michael Carico: How do people remain so wilfully
ignorant and cognitively dissonant
Damien Crisp: I don't know - he just went on and on with
semi-rational but ultimately meaningless ramblings justifying himself and
attacking me... all day... I checked out for several hours and returned to find
paragraphs of confused ramblings about me - about how I'm wrong about
everything just in general, in life - and about how I am wrong to say we should
mourn deaths here and abroad. Just idiotic rambling.
Damien Crisp: Who spends all day and night on someone's page
attacking them? How weird. If I don't like someone, I don't read them.
Damien Crisp: I told him to shove his brain dead logic up
his ass and blocked him.
Dustin Wagner: Well I went and checked out his page.
Reported what I could. I suggest others do the same. Ill block him later after Im through.
Damien Crisp: Really kind of scary if I stop to think about
it.
John Michael Carico: Hes jealous of your
"celebrity" and piggybacking on th hate bandwagon, or some shit.
Basically insecure
Dustin Wagner: Id agree with John after checking out his
mostly bland and boring FB page you can see he just wants to be like Damien.
He even has a quote that implies such.
Something about it being human nature to take those down who
you think are above you and to put on pedestals those you think are below
you....
Dustin Wagner: Otherwise unless he is some violent something
or other I don't see him being more than a pissant complainer.
Damien Crisp: He is just a blogger - a self described
cultural critic - I've read over his articles.. each one is a strange exercise
in being offensive to someone, completely baseless, hateful, xenophobic,
sexist, oddly racist with too much thought put into it.. just really bad. I am
the lefty target.
Paul Artz: - Maybe you should always refer to him as The
Comedian, or, perhaps, the failed comedian.
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: Don't know him. Don't seem to know
anyone who does. Maybe it's time to enable that FB "Graph Search"
thing and weed out anyone it turns up.
Damien Crisp: graph search?
Damien Crisp: good idea
Damien Crisp: where is that?
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: If you do a search for some name or
subject in the FB field at the top, there may be a green button at the bottom
to either enable Graph Search or get a beta version when they're done invading
our priv— Erm, tinkering with it.
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: The bottom of the "first few
results" pull-down/tab, I mean.
Damien Crisp: i'll have to unblock him but...
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: Wait until the douche is asleep,
then. Well, technically, he SHOULD be (as should you), but we both know trolls
run on mania, caffeine, and unicorn tears.
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: Wow, he/she/it IS really dedicated
to your continued annoyance: http://i.imgur.com/2g8sana.jpg
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: Can I just get a shot of penicillin
for whatever you've given me, D?
Damien Crisp: What an aggro -lol... I think penicillin gets
rid of aggro xenophobic sexist racist hateful stalker types... this is some
aggro dude.. better suited for the army, not art
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: Some art does come from anger, which
is the most seductive of the passions, because it masks fear so well.
Damien Crisp: This is dumb anger though. Maybe a good Nascar
design could be hatched from his brain - I've read his thoughts on art.. and,
as with me, they are limited to insulting the people. And that is about it -
except, he does have a lot to say on his incompetent blog when issues of race
appear.
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: Well, it's clever enough to spam me
and duck, so how dumb could it be? Besides, it's not as if I want to make you
out to be tiddlywinks as a verbal sparring partner with someone like that, but
I'd rather just have him excised from the Book of Face before I have to waste
another word on him.
You give me the kindest blocked people, you do. I must
remember to send you a fruitcake, next Xmas.
Dustin Wagner: I have graph search. If you post it, and your
privacy settings allow it to be seen it will appear in graph search.
Also the organizational tools are pretty interesting.
However I get more info reading peoples pages. I also was
blocked it looks like by Mr
Town. Lol. Felt good.
John Michael Carico: He just contacted me
about an hour ago via mobile
Phillip A. Lewis-Emmer: Did you swab the point of contact
thoroughly with alcohol or Purell?
John Michael Carico: Lmao. He just sent mea cryptic message.
Which i refuse torepeat because idont negotiate with idiots
Mike Olavarria: Justin TOWN? Hmmmm- yeah right, more like
Justin TODD! (JK, Edward Shott...) (JK, everybody!)
Damien Crisp: The 3 right wingers of art.
Damien Crisp: Something seems to have happened to his
profile page.
Mike Olavarria: What happened to it?
Damien Crisp: The page is not there. For me. Not blocked,
just not available.
Mike Olavarria: Looks like he's privatized all his previous
posts- ahhhh, that's OK though...
Scott Davis: Maybe he's now Outta Town.
…and so on and so forth
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